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04/15/2014 01:30 PM Senate TRANSPORTATION


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01:34:06 PM Presentation: Amhs: Update on New Ferries
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
            SENATE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                          
                         April 15, 2014                                                                                         
                           1:33 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dennis Egan, Chair                                                                                                      
Senator Anna Fairclough                                                                                                         
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Fred Dyson, Vice Chair                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: ALASKA MARINE HIGHWAY SYSTEM UPDATE ON NEW FERRIES                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PAT KEMP, Commissioner                                                                                                          
Department of Transportation and Public Facilities (DOTPF)                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Participated in the new ferry presentation.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REUBEN YOST, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                                
Marine Highway System                                                                                                           
Department of Transportation and Public Facilities (DOTPF)                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Gave the presentation on the new ferries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:33:41 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DENNIS EGAN called the Senate Transportation Standing                                                                   
Committee meeting to order at 1:33 p.m. Present at the call to                                                                  
order were Senators Fairclough, Bishop, and Chair Egan.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:34:06 PM                                                                                                                    
^Presentation: AMHS: Update on New Ferries                                                                                      
            Presentation: AMHS Update on New Ferries                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EGAN  announced the business  before the committee  would be                                                              
a presentation  and update  on the status  of the new  ferries for                                                              
the Alaska Marine Highway System (AMHS).                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:34:17 PM                                                                                                                    
PAT KEMP,  Commissioner, Department  of Transportation  and Public                                                              
Facilities (DOTPF), Juneau, Alaska, introduced himself.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REUBEN   YOST,  Deputy   Commissioner,   Marine  Highway   System,                                                              
Department  of  Transportation   and  Public  Facilities  (DOTPF),                                                              
Juneau, Alaska, gave the presentation on the new ferries.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. YOST  said the  mission for  the Alaska  Class Ferry  Day Boat                                                              
had not  changed from  last year.  They are  looking for  a vessel                                                              
that  will  accommodate  53  vehicles  and  300  passengers.  They                                                              
arrived  at  that number  based  on  handling  95 percent  of  the                                                              
summer demand  days in  Lynn Canal  using a  speed of  15.5 knots,                                                              
which is  required to be  able to get  to Haines, unload,  reload,                                                              
and get back  within 12 hours, so  they can operate with  a single                                                              
crew.  The vessel will  be single-ended,  meaning  it will  have a                                                              
bow and a stern but would unload through the bow.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:36:03 PM                                                                                                                    
The proposed  routes of the vessel  have not changed;  the highest                                                              
priority  is to  be used  in Lynn  Canal; the  second priority  is                                                              
some short existing  AMHS routes that could also  be serviced from                                                              
Juneau, such  as Gustavus, Hoonah,  and Tenakee. A  third priority                                                              
is that  the boats  be able  to accommodate  the different  Juneau                                                              
access routes should one of them be constructed.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The  vessel  will  be  designed   so  that  it  can  work  at  all                                                              
terminals,  but they anticipate  modifying Haines  to have  an end                                                              
berth  for unloading  from the bow.  The boat  would load  through                                                              
the stern in Juneau.  Last year there was a lot  of discussion and                                                              
controversy over a  closed aft deck versus an open  deck and after                                                              
looking  at the  cost savings  and  taking input  from the  public                                                              
they determined it would be completely enclosed.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:36:37 PM                                                                                                                    
Another major  decision was with  regard to how bow  loading would                                                              
be handled: a single  door that swings up or side  stowing opening                                                              
doors. He  showed a  picture of  a boat  in conditions  similar to                                                              
Juneau's   with  the  bow   doors  completely   shut;  they   were                                                              
completely smooth with  the hull and no edges for  ice to form on;                                                              
because of  the style of  the door water  pressure holds  the door                                                              
shut. Once  the outer  doors are  open (to the  side), there  is a                                                              
completely  water tight  inner door  that keeps  water off  of the                                                              
car deck. The  inner door folds  down to become a ramp  to connect                                                              
the  car deck  to  the  terminal.  There are  three  independently                                                              
operated hydraulic  hook and  eyes latching  the doors  closed (in                                                              
addition  to the  water  pressure),  another fail-safe  system  in                                                              
addition  to the  big  hydraulic  arm that  opens  and closes  the                                                              
door.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:38:51 PM                                                                                                                    
Another major  consideration was sea-keeping  considerations. They                                                              
heard a lot  about the LeConte being  too small for Lynn  Canal in                                                              
terms  of  being able  to  handle  the  winter weather.  So,  they                                                              
determined  the  boat  needed  to be  longer  and  eliminated  the                                                              
forward  guard  sponsons, which  were  responsible  for  a lot  of                                                              
pounding  and  spray.  They also  wanted  to  shelter  life-saving                                                              
equipment from  ice accumulation  by having  them inside  the line                                                              
of  the  vessel  rather  than  hanging   from  davits  exposed  to                                                              
freezing conditions.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
The current  design they intend to  build is 280 ft.,  which is 45                                                              
ft.  longer than  the  LeConte.  They also  did  some analysis  to                                                              
determine  whether   or  not  the  vessel  could   deal  with  the                                                              
conditions in  Lynn Canal,  a two-step process.  The first  was to                                                              
document and study  the wind and wave conditions  using historical                                                              
information.  Then they looked  at a series  of hull  lengths from                                                              
the LeConte (too  small) to the Taku (which most  people indicated                                                              
wasn't a problem).  Then they analyzed that data  against a motion                                                              
sickness index  that says  basically if 10  percent of  the people                                                              
get sick  on two  hours of the  worst part  of the voyage,  people                                                              
won't want to ride that boat.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:40:36 PM                                                                                                                    
They  wanted to  confirm those  calculations  by actually  testing                                                              
them, so  they took  a 15.5 ft.  model weighted  to have  the same                                                              
motion  characteristics as  the  new model  to Norway  and ran  it                                                              
against waves in  a wave tank with a bare hull  and with a bulbous                                                              
bow. They  looked at how  well it maneuvered  and how  much motion                                                              
it has in different parts of the vessel.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP  asked if that Norway  facility is a  benchmark for                                                              
testing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  YOST answered  yes.  The  U.S. has  a  wave tank,  but  their                                                              
schedule wasn't open.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:41:37 PM                                                                                                                    
Another  test for  motion sickness  is a  function of  how long  a                                                              
vessel is but also  where a person is located on  it. It turns out                                                              
that  10  percent   of  people  will  get  seasick   if  they  are                                                              
experiencing  a little  less than  half a "G."  Then they  plotted                                                              
various  sized vessels  (between  the LeConte  and  the Taku)  and                                                              
found the "belly"  around amidships is the most  comfortable place                                                              
to be and the worst was on the bow.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:43:16 PM                                                                                                                    
They  monitored   the  motions  for   95  percent  of   the  worst                                                              
conditions in  the worst month of  January for two hours  that was                                                              
not  exceeded by  this wave  height occurring  every 6.3  seconds.                                                              
The stern  tested out almost  exactly as predicted;  amidships and                                                              
slightly ahead of  amidships tested better than  expected, whereas                                                              
right close to the bow it was a little worse.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. YOST said the  way this data they are addressing  this data is                                                              
by  having  two  passenger  decks and  by  trying  to  concentrate                                                              
passenger  facilities closer  to  the amidships.  The LeConte  has                                                              
only  one level  for  passenger  facilities,  so most  people  are                                                              
forced to be in  the observation lounge, which is  the worst place                                                              
you want to be during bad weather.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. YOST  said that in  addition to being  45 ft. longer  than the                                                              
LeConte, the new  design has 10 ft. more beam. Its  draft is less,                                                              
because it  has a hard chine rather  than a rounded hull.  It will                                                              
be able to handle  19 more vehicles and has two  3,000 horse power                                                              
(hp)  engines as  opposed  to  the one  4,300  hp  on LeConte.  By                                                              
virtue of  its greater  length and horsepower  the new  design has                                                              
greater speed.  For comparison,  the Tustumena,  which travels  in                                                              
the open ocean out  the Aleutian Chain is only 16  ft. longer than                                                              
this vessel.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:44:55 PM                                                                                                                    
The  vessels'  design   has  four  observation  lounges   and  two                                                              
passenger decks. He  noted there is no interior casing  on the car                                                              
deck; those  are on the  outside of the  vessel, which  means when                                                              
you want  to get  to an elevator  or stairs  by walking  you don't                                                              
have to  cross vehicle  traffic. So,  passengers and vehicles  can                                                              
be loaded at  the same time. He  said the lower deck  would have a                                                              
family area  up forward, which  has both tables  to work at  and a                                                              
play area for  children with an insulated sound  wall between that                                                              
area  and  the  library  area, which  has  both  booths  and  some                                                              
individual tables.  The galley will be amidships  and be horseshoe                                                              
shaped similar to the fast ferry.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:46:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  EGAN asked  what  kind of  food  service  the vessels  will                                                              
have.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  YOST replied  that it  will be  similar to  the fast  ferries                                                              
with  things  like  soup,  noodles,   hot  dogs,  hamburgers,  and                                                              
drinks. He  said there will be  seating for singles,  couples, and                                                              
foursomes  as well  as having  some  handicapped accessible.  They                                                              
are still looking into having Wi-Fi.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:46:38 PM                                                                                                                    
In the forward  lounge on the  upper deck, seating is  arranged so                                                              
that people  have good views forward  and to the side.  Tables are                                                              
arranged  along the  center with  a half-wall  in between  so that                                                              
all the tables  can have outlets.  Amidships on the upper  deck is                                                              
a group lounge rather than a theatre.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:47:21 PM                                                                                                                    
He said the design  plans were completed in February  and they are                                                              
currently  working on specifications  for  the contract.  Also, he                                                              
and the  commissioner met with  top executives of  "Alaska Bigger"                                                              
to work out some of the details of construction.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This is  the first  vessel ever  constructed in  the U.S.  under a                                                              
Construction  Manager/General  Contractor   (CMGC)  process.  Next                                                              
week design and  contract teams will develop contract  language so                                                              
everyone understands  exactly what  is covered  by each  line item                                                              
and reconciling  the different  estimates.  Next month they  begin                                                              
negotiations line  item by line item  for the price of  the vessel                                                              
and hope to  award a shipyard contract  in June hoping  it will be                                                              
built in Ketchikan.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. YOST said the  target delivery for both vessels  is subject to                                                              
negotiations as time is money and they want to avoid overtime.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EGAN asked if $125 million was enough.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. YOST  answered they  believe they  can construct both  vessels                                                              
for that amount.  The original appropriation was  $120 million and                                                              
$3 million  was used to design the  first 350 ft. vessel  and they                                                              
had  spent an  additional  $3  million converting  and  developing                                                              
this design  from that.  So that  leaves $114  million or  roughly                                                              
$57 million  per vessel. The first  vessel will cost  more because                                                              
of  doing the  original lofting  that  won't be  required for  the                                                              
second  one. This  includes construction  engineering  as well  as                                                              
their indirect cost recovery program.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:50:25 PM                                                                                                                    
The  goal  is  to  deal with  one  CMGC  shipyard  that  has  been                                                              
contributing to  the design as it  has been developed and  they to                                                              
do that with they need the specifications.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  EGAN remarked  that he  had  never heard  of lifeboats  and                                                              
safety features being inside the vessel.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. YOST directed  him to look at a lifeboat just  after the stack                                                              
in an  opening that was  not completely  enclosed. The idea  is to                                                              
keep it  inside the line  of the hull so  they are not  exposed to                                                              
spray.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:51:33 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR EGAN asked if the car decks are still enclosed.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  YOST  answered  yes.  Then  he  moved  on  to  the  Tustumena                                                              
replacement  saying  that  information   came  from  the  recently                                                              
release Reconnaissance Report.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:52:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR EGAN  asked if  these ships  will be  approved to  cross the                                                              
Dixon Entrance  in case there  is a mechanical  problem on  one of                                                              
the mainliners and one of them had to take over.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  YOST answered  no;  they are  not  being  designed to  Solace                                                              
requirements because  that would increase the cost.  However, they                                                              
are  in  the  process of  investigating  Solace  waivers  for  the                                                              
Malaspina  and  the Columbia,  because  they  travel in  the  same                                                              
waters, but don't go into Prince Rupert.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EGAN  said these  new vessels  could go at  least as  far as                                                              
Ketchikan.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. YOST answered yes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:53:09 PM                                                                                                                    
He said  the Reconnaissance  Report is on  their website  and they                                                              
are asking  people  to comment on  it. The  existing Tustumena  is                                                              
296  ft. and  because  of the  weather conditions  it  experiences                                                              
with  a full  car deck  and state  rooms  in the  summer they  are                                                              
looking  for a replacement  vessel  that is a  little bit  longer,                                                              
but that  is constrained  to the  length of  the turning  basin of                                                              
the terminals  and ports  it accesses. So,  they believe  they can                                                              
use a  vessel that  is 30  ft. longer  with 9  additional feet  of                                                              
beam and  more depth.  This is  an ocean  going vessel  that could                                                              
handle a  few more passengers and  vehicles and more  state rooms.                                                              
They want more  crew capacity, but  the design to be such  that it                                                              
doesn't need  more crew. Vehicle capacity  would go from  36 to 52                                                              
and twelve  40 ft.  vans rather  than 20 ft.  vans. The  length of                                                              
the van would  be determined by  the size of the elevator  and the                                                              
turntable for  it by  having a slightly  beamier ship.  This would                                                              
also speed  up the loading time,  because now larger vans  have to                                                              
be pulled  onto the  turntable;  the cab uncouples;  the van  goes                                                              
down and gets  pulled off; you have  to send a tractor  down first                                                              
- a  pretty  cumbersome process.  The Kennecott  was late  leaving                                                              
Kodiak because it took them seven hours to load.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  EGAN  remarked  that  they  wouldn't  have  to  reconfigure                                                              
terminals then either.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  YOST  said  they  were  looking   at  putting  in  a  forward                                                              
starboard door similar  to the Kennecott so when  the vessel comes                                                              
to  Auke  Bay  for  instance,  they   wouldn't  have  to  use  the                                                              
elevator,  but also  so as they  develop some  floating docks  the                                                              
high volume  ports, like Homer and  Kodiak, they would  be able to                                                              
unload quickly  now by just  driving off and  not have to  use the                                                              
elevator. Since  this vessel will  be around for 50-60  years they                                                              
want the  capacity to upgrade  terminals without having  to change                                                              
the vessels.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:56:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH joined the committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:56:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. YOST  pointed out that  by having a  little bit  longer length                                                              
they can  get greater  hull speed  and that  will help  getting to                                                              
every port  on the Chain  and making it back  in a week.  So, when                                                              
the Kennecott  is headed south  they can actually  provide nonstop                                                              
service between Kodiak and Homer.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
One  of the  things  the Steering  Committee  recommended was  not                                                              
having  a bar  but  rather a  larger  cafeteria  with a  horseshoe                                                              
shaped  galley that  serves wine  and beer.  This would  eliminate                                                              
the need  for a  sole-purpose bartender.  They  also want  to take                                                              
advantage of  the concept they developed  for the last  fast ferry                                                              
and  put the  forward observation  lounge  one deck  higher for  a                                                              
better  view. They  are looking  at  a forward  starboard door  so                                                              
that it  will work  with floating ramp  terminals. They  also want                                                              
to take advantage  of the space created by the high  deck for vans                                                              
that just go  in the center lane  by creating a mezzanine  deck to                                                              
be used (most likely) for crew quarters.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:58:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. YOST said they  had been asked to look at using  LNG for fuel,                                                              
but  the Coast  Guard  hasn't  certified  having LNG  tanks  below                                                              
deck. Europe  routinely has LNG tanks  below decks, but  not so in                                                              
the  U.S.  Also,  having  the tanks  above  deck  would  create  a                                                              
massive  destabilization  weight problem  for  vessels running  in                                                              
the open ocean.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:59:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR EGAN  asked how  much money is  currently available  for the                                                              
replacement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. YOST  replied $40 million  as of last  year and $5  million is                                                              
proposed in the current capital budget.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked if that finishes the job.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.YOST answered no; the estimated cost in the report is $225-                                                                  
245 million.  This number  does not include  the $10  million that                                                              
has already been approved for design.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:00:15 PM                                                                                                                    
He said they would  have public meetings on the report  in May and                                                              
although they have  funded the design completely  with state money                                                              
anticipating that  it might be constructed in  Ketchikan under the                                                              
CMGC  process, they  are  leaving open  the  possibility of  using                                                              
federal aid  and therefore  following all  the federal  aid rules,                                                              
but  for the  procurement  and  the design.  So,  they  will do  a                                                              
federal  environmental  document   after  taking  public  comment.                                                              
After that  they will do a  design study report where  the details                                                              
of the design  are laid out.  The report estimates $227  million -                                                              
241 million for constructing this size of a vessel.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:01:25 PM                                                                                                                    
In  one year  they  will have  plan specifications  and  estimates                                                              
complete enough  to have  cost proposals from  a CMGC  shipyard or                                                              
they  will put  it  out  to bid.  They  have everything  from  the                                                              
arrangement  profile and  structural  plans to  all the  equipment                                                              
they  would like  on the  boat. The  design team  was selected  in                                                              
November  and in  December  they visited  all  the terminals.  The                                                              
Reconnaissance  Report   was  released  in  February   and  public                                                              
participation  will happen  this  month. In  May,  they will  have                                                              
public  meetings in  Dutch  Harbor, Homer,  and  Kodiak that  will                                                              
involve their surrounding communities.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He  said if  they  were to  go  with the  CMGC,  the Alaska  class                                                              
vessels would  be completed  sometime toward  the end of  2017, so                                                              
that would  be the time to  start this larger  ocean-going vessel.                                                              
Although it  was pretty early in  the process he had  a conceptual                                                              
drawing of  the vessel. Since  this is  an ocean going  vessel, it                                                              
has lifeboats rather  than the Alaska class ferry  that has rescue                                                              
boats.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:04:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  EGAN  asked if  the  elevator  and  turntable were  in  the                                                              
stern.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. YOST  answered yes. The  elevator has  to match the  height of                                                              
the floating  ramps that  go up  and down with  the tide.  He said                                                              
there are  only two  in the world  like it:  on the Kennecott  and                                                              
the Tustumena.  So, when the Tustumena  was damaged last  year the                                                              
Kennecott was the  only vessel that could take  its place, because                                                              
it has an elevator.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EGAN asked how long the Tustumena was out of service.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. YOST answered from November to September.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked if the new vessel will have a new name.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  YOST  replied  that  it hasn't  been  decided,  but  it  will                                                              
probably have  a different name  because of overlap in  the vessel                                                              
uses.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN FALVE  said he  was on  line and  didn't have anything  to                                                              
add.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EGAN thanked Mr. Yost for the presentation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:07:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  EGAN,  finding  no  further business  to  come  before  the                                                              
committee,   adjourned   the   Senate    Transportation   Standing                                                              
Committee meeting at 2:07 p.m.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
ACF & Tustumena update.pdf STRA 4/15/2014 1:30:00 PM
Alaska Marine Highway, new ferries